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Many Marines may not realize that the movie "A Few Good Men" was inspired by actual events that happened at Marine Barracks, Ground Defense Force, Guantanamo Bay (GTMO), Cuba in 1986. The author, Aaron Sorkin, got the idea from speaking with his sister who was part of the Navy JAG team sent to GTMO to help defend a group of Marines.
1/4/2011 10:06 PM
T. Myers wrote:
I just stumbled on your post while on the web. I am a former Marine and I was stationed in Gitmo from 1985-1987. I was there! Alvarodo... I think that was his name, wanted off of the island. (It was a hard duty station) He wrote a letter to his home state Congressman/Senator requesting a new duty station. In his letter he advised that he knew things that were going on at the base and he would exchange this information for help with a transfer. When other Marines put 2 and 2 together, they nearly killed him. Two Marines beat him really bad. (By the way, I had never heard the term "Code-Red" until I saw the movie.) Alvarodo was crying out during the beating and one of the Marines got a sock out of a "Cleaning Foot-locker" and put it in his mouth. Later they determined that the sock had Pine Oil cleaner on it which caused Alvarodo to nearly drowned in his own vomit. I saw him a few months later and he had made a full recovery. Now, what did Alvarodo know that he was willing to tell? He knew about Fence-Line shootings. That's about it. Some Marines were shooting Banana Rats while on post. But, what did NIS find during their investigation? They found it all. It was CYA (Cover your A$$)time in Gitmo! There were bunkers after bunkers filled with "hidden" off the books ammo. There was enough stuff to support a small war. This is why the command was changed. Also, Col. J.S. Adams was still the C.O. when I left in August 1987. He had not been relieved of duty. Just my two cents! Reply to this
3/6/2011 11:21 PM
Cpl C wrote:
2nd Plt; RSC Windward. WarPigs! That was our nickname as I arrived Nov 1985. It's amazing how stong a Cpl can demand "loyalty" such as Cpl Rowe did. We arrived in November, about a half ddozen, taught about loyalty. The truth was there was no real leadership. We were young! The SNCOs were good peeps, so was Capt Robb & the Co GySgt. It was when Rowe & a few others turned to the dark side; they split the platoon into two. Alvarado had the hot girl & the long hair & was afraid of the fenceline. By that time Rowe, Perez, and some LCpls decided not to include others into their "WarPigs" club. Alvarado whined to get PCS's... Lt Adams told Rowe not to throw him off the balcony... but if Alvarado fell a few stairs down the ladderwell at the barracks... oh well. After the club that night 10 of them visited Alvarado, tired, cut hit hair, the rag had pine oil, things went horrible. By 5am we were told Alvarado my not live. Later that day 10 Marines in the Brig. It wasn't Col Adams or SgtMaj Berry's fault. It was plain & simple Lt Adams, Cpl Rowe, Cpl Perez, & 8 others. Allegedly Hartman shot rounds at the Cuban post (Cayo Redondo tower) & when NCIS was investingating they used the scare tactics to make others think you told on them. Soomeone was told that Alvarado tattled on them... wasn't true. Alvarado knew nothing. It was just boot Corporals barely a year or two in the Corps having a power trip with know real leadership ability. Rowe should had stayed in prison for his part. I heard he went on to 29 Palms to serve. Sgt Dudas came back from emergency leave... helped to keep the good guys together & the trouble from corrupting them. Cpl Stover came back from a Squad Leaders course; he was Rowes friend... we never did get along well. I guess the ammo count was off a bit... some extra in the bunker at the NorthEast gate... but not for the wrong reasons. When some ammo was found in the barracks on Leeward is when everyone panicked and the Windward side dumped a litttle too much 5.56 into the Bay to be off count. Corporals were eager to lead, but required more training & supervision. That was the fault. Lt Adams may have went to the club once or twice with the Marines... but it was as a Platon function always!!! His fault was he "admired" Cpl Rowe. Rowe had that oerge Clooney/Clark Cable about him. But ended up like Darth Vader if you ask me. Alvarado was a good kid; just scared. He would had been great if the Corporals would had helped him instead of letting the other LCpls tease him. Harrassment has no place in the Corps; thats for sure. I think the movie version was about 2% correct; the rest was 98% Hollywood. But I feel if the world really knew what happened they'd be just as alarmed & displeased. I know I was. We had some Marines come from the Fleet to help fill in. They were right - we were boots & didn't know how to lead. Sorry if I was too hard on any of you. I was just trying to fix what others destroyed. Cpl C Reply to this
I just stumbled on your post while on the web. I am a former Marine and I was stationed in Gitmo from 1985-1987. I was there! Alvarodo... I think that was his name, wanted off of the island. (It was a hard duty station) He wrote a letter to his home state Congressman/Senator requesting a new duty station. In his letter he advised that he knew things that were going on at the base and he would exchange this information for help with a transfer. When other Marines put 2 and 2 together, they nearly killed him. Two Marines beat him really bad. (By the way, I had never heard the term "Code-Red" until I saw the movie.) Alvarodo was crying out during the beating and one of the Marines got a sock out of a "Cleaning Foot-locker" and put it in his mouth. Later they determined that the sock had Pine Oil cleaner on it which caused Alvarodo to nearly drowned in his own vomit. I saw him a few months later and he had made a full recovery. Now, what did Alvarodo know that he was willing to tell? He knew about Fence-Line shootings. That's about it. Some Marines were shooting Banana Rats while on post. But, what did NIS find during their investigation? They found it all. It was CYA (Cover your A$$)time in Gitmo! There were bunkers after bunkers filled with "hidden" off the books ammo. There was enough stuff to support a small war. This is why the command was changed. Also, Col. J.S. Adams was still the C.O. when I left in August 1987. He had not been relieved of duty. Just my two cents!
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2nd Plt; RSC Windward. WarPigs! That was our nickname as I arrived Nov 1985. It's amazing how stong a Cpl can demand "loyalty" such as Cpl Rowe did. We arrived in November, about a half ddozen, taught about loyalty. The truth was there was no real leadership. We were young! The SNCOs were good peeps, so was Capt Robb & the Co GySgt. It was when Rowe & a few others turned to the dark side; they split the platoon into two. Alvarado had the hot girl & the long hair & was afraid of the fenceline. By that time Rowe, Perez, and some LCpls decided not to include others into their "WarPigs" club. Alvarado whined to get PCS's... Lt Adams told Rowe not to throw him off the balcony... but if Alvarado fell a few stairs down the ladderwell at the barracks... oh well. After the club that night 10 of them visited Alvarado, tired, cut hit hair, the rag had pine oil, things went horrible. By 5am we were told Alvarado my not live. Later that day 10 Marines in the Brig. It wasn't Col Adams or SgtMaj Berry's fault. It was plain & simple Lt Adams, Cpl Rowe, Cpl Perez, & 8 others. Allegedly Hartman shot rounds at the Cuban post (Cayo Redondo tower) & when NCIS was investingating they used the scare tactics to make others think you told on them. Soomeone was told that Alvarado tattled on them... wasn't true. Alvarado knew nothing. It was just boot Corporals barely a year or two in the Corps having a power trip with know real leadership ability. Rowe should had stayed in prison for his part. I heard he went on to 29 Palms to serve. Sgt Dudas came back from emergency leave... helped to keep the good guys together & the trouble from corrupting them. Cpl Stover came back from a Squad Leaders course; he was Rowes friend... we never did get along well. I guess the ammo count was off a bit... some extra in the bunker at the NorthEast gate... but not for the wrong reasons. When some ammo was found in the barracks on Leeward is when everyone panicked and the Windward side dumped a litttle too much 5.56 into the Bay to be off count. Corporals were eager to lead, but required more training & supervision. That was the fault. Lt Adams may have went to the club once or twice with the Marines... but it was as a Platon function always!!! His fault was he "admired" Cpl Rowe. Rowe had that oerge Clooney/Clark Cable about him. But ended up like Darth Vader if you ask me. Alvarado was a good kid; just scared. He would had been great if the Corporals would had helped him instead of letting the other LCpls tease him. Harrassment has no place in the Corps; thats for sure. I think the movie version was about 2% correct; the rest was 98% Hollywood. But I feel if the world really knew what happened they'd be just as alarmed & displeased. I know I was. We had some Marines come from the Fleet to help fill in. They were right - we were boots & didn't know how to lead. Sorry if I was too hard on any of you. I was just trying to fix what others destroyed. Cpl C
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